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  • Estrogen Dominance - no wonder....

    Originally posted by seawitch 09-16-2004, 01:19 PM

    Hi Ladies,
    I was just perusing the web for some more info on estrogen dominance and weight issues and came across an article by Dr. Lee....

    Estrogen on the other hand turns the food energy into body fat. That's why they give it to steers. You understand, they castrate the steers, put them in feed lots, feed them sorghum and give them estrogen. Steers you see, are sold by the pound. So the function of estrogen is to lard in a lot of fat in with the meat in a quick time, and also to retain water. By retaining water the weight goes up so you get more per pound when you kill the steer for meat. That's the function of estrogen, and that function is prevented when you take progesterone. Progesterone allows you to use the fat for energy.

    if you are interested the link to the transcript is here.

    THANK YOU TERESA!!!!!!!!! for finding a way to fix this for us!

    You have the power to create your life experiences.

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  • #2
    05-06-2005, 03:00 PM

    At just-turned-50, I'm in "peri" mode right now, and have endured many ugly symptoms since September 2004 that have made my life -- if not miserable -- then certainly difficult.

    I've been on progesterone since February -- and I have noted a great improvement in my mental health and physical symptoms. Combined with Omega 3, magnesium, and big doses of B-12, I'm able to get through my day in a lot better fashion than without them -- though I still don't feel quite as good as I did, say, a year ago. BTW -- I'm one who is cannot take soy; I get dizzy, sluggish, and very tired when I take it. Also -- I recommend monitoring Aspertame intake; this wreaks havoc with perimenopausal women -- me included.

    I came here to t-tapp hoping that the exercises would help in my weight gain (estrogen induced), and I'm hopeful that I'll find success. I've already done a few days of "hoe-downs", "awesome legs" (restarted from a few weeks ago), and "pretzel twists" ... and I think I'm feeling better emotionally. While I would love to lose inches on my legs, the truth is: I'd rather just feel better emotionally and physically now that "peri" has knocked at my door and entered my life.

    thanks for listening...


    06-07-2005, 10:59 AM

    Anyone having hormonal issues should seriously consider getting a Kombucha!

    T-tapp Trainer, New Hampshire
    ACE Certified Personal Trainer

    06-07-2005, 11:36 AM

    Either I'm not there yet, it's passed me by or all the good stuff has minimized the usual suspects... at 51 I feel better than I did at 31.

    10-16-2005, 01:08 PM

    I have a few questions about this. Can somebody help me?

    I did Dr. Lee's hormone test. I'm definitely estrogen dominant. I've got a doctor visit scheduled this week to get my hormones checked. Do I really need to go to the doctor if this test showed me what I want her to tell me? (I'm not sure that she'll even do a hormone test, btw. - new doctor.) Couldn't I just go ahead and start the progesterone cream?

    Which cream should I get? I have a slow thyroid, am on medicine for it (Armour). I need to avoid soy.

    I should mention that about four years ago I used Emeritas but when it made me gain more weight, I got scared. I hadn't been to the doctor to confirm I was estrogen dominant. I was just guessing at that point. Does that have soy in it? Do you know why I would've gained weight with the cream?

    So, do you think thyroid problems are CAUSED by estrogen dominance and not the other way around?

    Thanks for your help! I'm so glad I found this site!


    06-22-2006, 04:17 PM

    Wow, the things I find on this forum! I took a hormone profile test at and couldn't believe how many symptoms I checked off. Just ordered the Adrenal and Thyroid Support for Women and really hope this will help. Will keep y'all posted.


    06-22-2006, 08:02 PM

    Where do I get this progesterone cream?

    How do you use it. How much is it?

    Any information is greatly appreciated.

    06-23-2006, 12:10 AM


    I got mine from I ordered the Adrenal & Thyroid Support for Women which includes the progesterone (applied topically). If you scroll down this page a bit, it tells you how and when to apply the progesterone. There's a ton more information about hormones at that site plus hormone profile tests to help you determine what supplementation you may or may not need. Hope that helps.


    06-08-2007, 12:32 PM

    Bumping this topic because it's a great one, but some of the links are outdated.

    I'm interested in the progesterone cream everyone is talking about here, but I need a new link to purchase it. Also, if someone can just give me a link to the actual product to buy, it would be very helpful. has a ton of products, but I only want the progesterone cream.

    Help please? [?]

    I think I have the right one. Would it be the Natural Bioidentical Progesterone Cream? I don't have any need for estrogen, LOL.

    Disregard the call for help. [:I]

    06-08-2007, 05:56 PM

    Hi- I have purchased it from Kevala and also from Emerita. I am in my third month on it and feel MUCH better. I did get some off-schedule bleeding last night (it was 17 days since my last period started) but I don't have any other period-type symptoms like breast tenderness so I'm not sure what the deal is fairly light so maybe it will disappear soon.

    Overall I feel it has been very good for me. My weight is down and my moods are MUCH improved.


    06-08-2007, 09:24 PM

    Semmens, how long did it take to start working, ie. that you really noticed it was making a difference? I'm really happy to find this stuff. I just got a Click-n-Ship so I bet it will be here on Monday. Yay!!

    06-08-2007, 09:59 PM

    Eta, the progesterone from has done wonders for my 28 yo dd and for me. We use HPMS Progesterone (Happy PMS ). It's in a pump which makes it easier to measure. You'll see it on the order page here:

    Also, I showed it to my GYN Dr. and she thought it was excellent, but she's into natural meds and hormones.

    06-12-2007, 04:14 PM

    Just bumping this up, I am totally fascinated by this Topic. I am so niave when it comes to this stuff ... and I'm in the midst of perimenopause !! How embarrassing.. I should know at least some of this... often thought about getting the book "Menopause for Dummies" I guess for the most part it never concerned me, until this year when I swear a could drown in one of my night sweats [xx(] [xx(].

    I also have a friend who is in the fits of Menopause and it drives me crazy because she seems so helpless. But we are NOT helpless. I am printing out this whole topic (each web page is about 7 duplex pages of print) AND I have order Dr. Lee's books for both of us. I see her tonight and plan on arming her with "T's" fix to get started and these printed pages...the books should arrive by next week.

    Thanks all you amazing Women !


    06-12-2007, 04:19 PM

    "Menopause for Dummies", LOL!! Really, I need that too! Poo, if only I'd known more about soy [:0]...ah well, you live and learn.


    • #3
      06-12-2007, 09:31 PM

      Ebonykawai- I noticed immediately....really within a few days. Even my first cycle on it (I started on about day 7 after my period started as I'm pretty sure I haven't ovulated in a few years....I'm 47) was a normal 28 days after being 24 or even down to 21 for years.

      My PMS is almost nonexistent; I still get some breast tenderness but not like I used to, and really no bloating anymore.

      Oh and as for "Menopause for Dummies" books...please be careful about what you believe. I had pre-ordered the book "Is It Hot in Here Or Is It Just Me?" after seeing good reviews for it and an excerpt in Newsweek. I found that there is ZERO mention of natural hormones in this is all about estrogen only, and focuses on artificial stuff, with a heavy push for all perimenopausal women to get on a low-dose BCP. I know that if I had not eduacted myself on natural hormones, esp progesterone, I would have been one of those sheep.


      06-12-2007, 11:13 PM

      I want to thank whoever posted this topic and suggested Dr. Lee's book. I ordered online and read it in one night. Oh My Goodness!!! I am not crazy nor do I need anti-depressants!!! I am using progesterone cream and noticed a difference within 2 days. The biggest and most wonderful change was I was thinking like a 25 year old again! No more cloudy head.

      Again, THANK YOU, it never ceases to amaze me how much knowledge there is on these boards!!


      06-13-2007, 09:49 AM

      Thanks for the info, Laura. Wow, I can't believe the results are so quick! I just started the cream this morning. My cycle is 23 days, so let's see if I can stretch it out a day or two. That would be wonderful. The only PMS I get is water retention and cravings, but with T-Tapp I crave nothing anymore, don't even have a desire for my evening glass of wine (that's pretty amazing to me), but if it works for the bloating, I'll be thankful.

      I'm so glad to have found this thread!

      06-13-2007, 04:17 PM

      Just found a less expensive place to buy the progesterone cream (same one that they sell at Shipping is cheaper, too.

      06-13-2007, 08:28 PM

      A friend of mine had a cycle every 23 days and used the Arbonne Proleif(progesterone cream) and now her cycles are 28 days and cramping has been reduced greatly...good stuff! I think she said it took 2-3 months for it to lengthen her cycle...R

      Erie Rose Patterson

      06-13-2007, 09:21 PM

      IMO, as long as the cream is USP and the correct dosage (i can't recall the mgs/oz ratio but it comes out that 1/4 - 1/2 tsp works for most people) I'm not convinced that brand matters. I do know that Emerita is now only carrying cream that is PABA free as it is way better for you. I myself am not sold on any one brand as of yet.

      Disclaimer: I know that there are several people here selling Arbonne, so this isn't meant as any kind of attack, okay? JMO.


      06-13-2007, 10:03 PM

      OMG, this place is amazing!!!!

      Hey, I am only 29, and nope, I'm not on the pill. I have SO many signs/smptoms of estrogen dominance. My dermatologist wants me to go on the pill b/c she says it will help with my blemishes and facial hair (on my chin)...which I pluck! Lol.

      I refuse to go on th pill. I am INTRIGUED by this thread and I think you ladies may have diagnosed me. I am very hopeful. I am so sik of feeling so sick. All of my labs have been near perfect, but I *know* that my body has not been acting right for about 6 years. Of course, it's my hormones.

      I am planning on ordering Dr. Lee's book, but I really want to get started on Progesterone cream ASAP.

      How much should I use, and how often? Where do you apply the cream? Any side-effects? Can you still use this even if you do become pregnant?

      DO you think this will help my mom who has already gone through menopause, but still has horrible hot flashes and sometimes reports feeling 'crazy'? I think, think, that her doc has her on an estrogen it ok for her to stop that and start using progesterone?

      06-13-2007, 10:11 PM

      Laura- no offense taken

      Erie Rose Patterson

      06-13-2007, 10:16 PM

      I took Dr. Leee's test and I am confused.

      It seems like I: am estrogen dominant, estrogen deficient, progesteron deficient; and have too much cortisol.

      How can I be both estrogen dominant and estrogen deficient????

      06-14-2007, 05:13 PM

      Well after reading this thread I have decided to give up T's Alfalfa for a couple of days to see if that's what is keeping my weight up..unfortuantley I still feel bloated..[xx(] My blood type is AB-, I think..I know this is bad, not to know your blood type, but my Mom said I had type A... I did my own test and the results I got was AB-.

      I am still taking the Cal/Mag, Progest creme, dong quai, Black cohosh, 5-HTP and cal mag. Also I added in a few raw Brazil nuts throughtout the day. BTW, since adding the 5-HTP and Cal/Mag I am still getting about 7 hours of sleep a night, but feel much more refreshed in the a.m. ! [ ]

      I'm a little concerned about my Progest creme, as I purchased the Emertia, as that's what they had at the local HF store. I ordered the Kev. brand hopefuly it arrives today and I can switch.


      06-14-2007, 11:38 PM

      ngj26, can you cut back on the black cohosh? My good friend was taking that and she put on 20 pounds. It's quite high in estrogen.

      06-14-2007, 11:39 PM

      Sportscar, the site says that if you're getting your period, then you have enough estrogen. It is confusing when you first read it, though. [xx(]

      06-15-2007, 01:07 AM

      What about for a period that is only 3 days long? Month after month.

      06-15-2007, 01:22 PM

      EBONYKAWAI~ Thanks sooooo much for sharing that tidbit... I'll stop the cohosh and slowly add back in the Alfalfa.. I think you are right as I only recently added back in the cohosh in my night sweat desperation!


      06-15-2007, 02:42 PM

      I tried the Emerita cream for a few months and was VERY happy with the results, but then I started itching and getting hives and finally traced it to the cream! When I stopped using it, it would clear up, when I tried to start again, itching was back. My L.Ac. muscle tested me and felt like it was the cream base, rather than the progesterone that was the problem, because I tested fine on his NAET test vial for progesterone. I had bought a second tube and had to talk the HFS into taking it back without a receipt.

      I noticed that Tahitian Noni is carrying it in a spray and was thinking about trying that. I just hate to spend that much money if it bothers me also, and I guess I can't be totally positive it's not the progesterone that's the problem.

      I have been taking Vitex (Dr. Christiane Northrup recommends this to naturally balance all the hormones), in addition to alfalfa. When I ran out of alfalfa, I really noticed a difference and am trying not to let THAT happen again.



      • #4
        06-15-2007, 07:45 PM

        Okay Ladies,

        I know I have quite a bit of reading to do on this thread, and if you don't want to have to repeat yourself or the answers lie within this thread you can tell me to go read it for myself[:I] But this last page really intrigued me - I am 38 years old, yes I have to pluck 2 black hairs every few months off of my chin[:0] My periods are 22 days apart, have been for years but I used to be every 28 days, man do I miss that[V] My PMS is SO SEVERE even my kiddos know when T.O.M. is coming[V] mood swings, cramping, exhaustion, etc. Just wondering how you know if you need progesterone cream? Get this book ya'll are referring to?

        Thanks so much!
        Mary Ann

        06-15-2007, 11:46 PM

        Mary Ann- I own one of Dr. Lee's books (the premenopause one) and it will definitely help you figure things out, but I think there is a wealth of info on this thread. While I read every book out there when I was pregnant and nursing, as well as childrearing books, somehow the whole peri/menopause thing kinda slid by me (denial, perhaps?)

        Short cycles and severe PMS are signs of estrogen dominance. Drug companies have conditioned us to think we need estrogen desperately since this is where they make their money (USP progesterone can't be patented so there are no name brand profits in it) but for many of us, estrogen is the last thing we need more of. If you are not ovulating but are still having periods, you are getting zero progesterone naturally as progesterone is produced by the egg follicle. I was always aware of my ovulation and have not done so for several years, or very sporadically (I am 47) yet am still having periods that until I got some progeaterone cream a few months back were just getting worse...heavier, shorter time between, lots of get the picture.

        Let me just say this; JMO,I don't think that trying an OTC progesterone cream is dangerous for anyone who has these symptoms. Since many of us notice almost instant results, I believe that if you try it and it works, there's a good chance that this is what your body needed. Listen to your body


        06-16-2007, 01:49 AM

        Dr. Christiane Northrup ([u]Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom</u>; [u]Wisdom of Menopause</u>, et al) recommends it, which was enough for me. The cool (and safe) thing about progesterone is that your body can turn it into one of several other hormones, if that's what it really needs. SO, progesterone might not be the one you need, but since it can probably change it into the one it DOES need, it's a pretty safe bet. On the other hand, your body can't do that with estrogen, hence, likelihood of dominance. She even mentioned Emerita by name, which is why I tried that one. And it DID work. I just ended up forming an allergy to it...


        06-16-2007, 09:19 AM

        Moyne, do you think it might have been the paraben? Emerita has discontinued Pro-gest that contains paraben entirely, mostly because of its allergenic properties (I believe).


        06-16-2007, 04:17 PM

        Anything's possible. Wish I knew a way to know for sure. Even though it costs more there, maybe I should try buying one at Whole Foods and keeping the receipt. They told me once that if you have a problem with a supplement you buy there, you can bring it back with the receipt and get your money back. WELL, never mind, I just went and looked at the tube and it says "no parabens", so I guess that's not it.

        I have to say, some of the symptoms have not returned since stopping the progesterone cream.


        06-18-2007, 03:29 PM

        see for more info about ED scorecard & balancing it out.

        10-31-2007, 11:48 AM

        What a great thread! I found it entirely by accident. Anyone still using the progesterone cream? Off to find a copy of Dr. Lee's book, I'm wondering if this is the key to my thyroid and adrenal problems...

        Life is just a bowl of cherries. Don't take it serious, Life's too mysterious...

        Lori French
        10-31-2007, 04:09 PM

        Be careful, progesterone is an additional hormone that you are adding to your body. Adding one can cause your body to change what it currently produces which can whack you out it the end. Last I heard, Teresa did not recommend progesterone cream. It might sound and feel good at first, but over the long hall it could mess with the very complicated whole hormone network.


        11-01-2007, 08:57 PM

        Hey Lori,

        Say more re. progesterone cream...

        I have been taking it once a day starting on the 12th day after my period, for about 3 months now. My PMS symptoms are actually getting worse and I just have this hunch that in fact it can create an imbalance with hormones.

        I want to understand more about 'displacement', which is when you take a supplement and it actually replaces what your body is already producing, and creates an imbalance.

        Any more to say about all this?


        Dorothy Hall
        T-Tapp Trainer

        11-02-2007, 09:18 AM

        My hormones are still out of whack, and don't need to complicate matters. Thanks for the advice, Lori

        Life is just a bowl of cherries. Don't take it serious, Life's too mysterious...

        Lori French
        11-03-2007, 05:32 PM
        Sorry Dorothy, not any more knowledge from me on this subject. I know when this first came up on the forum, many years ago, there were a LOT of talk about it and many rushed to give it a try. I held back and when presented with the opportunity to ask Teresa about it, she said no. Plain and simple. Not a good idea. I really can't remember all the details but we did talk about several different hormones and supplements and how the body cuts down on production to meet with the supplements. You might email the office and see what their current thoughts are on the subject.

        Great Kim, I'm glad you are at least rethinking educating yourself. You sounded too much like me, thinking this could be a magic pill (cream) that would heal the world Good Luck on finding a fix!


        05-12-2008, 04:57 PM

        You cannot and should not use progesterone cream with BCP. In fact most BCP already contain some ammounts of both estrogen and progesterone in them. Both artificial manufactured ones mind you.
        Natural ones are always better.
        Have you looked into PCOS. One of the symptoms in fibroids. It is easily fixable with a low carb diet and also some herbs like vitex, evening primrose oil, and many herbs that help blood sugar also help this.

        09-09-2009, 03:52 PM

        can progesterone cream be used to treat pcos?

        09-09-2009, 04:31 PM

        yes. If you've not read Dr. John R. Lee's book called What Your Dr. May NOT Tell You About Menopause, The Breakthrough Book on Natural Progesterone (co-authored with Virginia Hopkins) I highly recommend reading it.

        I am re-reading it right now and should have sooner. It's so readable and interesting with short chapters and in the layperson's terms.

        Many libraries already have it if you want to check there first.

        I just wanted to add that I'd read it from beginning to end. I tried picking what I thought only pertained to my situation when I first got the book and that was a mistake as I really needed the big picture. It's so readable that I finished the book fairly quickly and it has been a very big help.

        Pamela, Type 3, strong secondary Type 4

        09-25-2009, 08:05 AM

        As a response to anyone who has ever had trouble with natural progesterone (as I have- reacted very badly to it), or to anyone with hormonal issues at all, I would like to suggest reading books by Dr. Elizabeth Vliet.:

        SCREAMING TO BE HEARD: hormonal connections that women suspect and doctors igonore.


        these books are very informative and do not peddle progesterone as a cure-all, because in most cases, it is not the answer. Dr. Vliet also explains how estrogen does not make you fat- and why it is that women gain weight after menopause when they LOSE their estrogen. Certainly progesterone plays an important role and has therapeutic value in certain cases- but it is important to remember that it is the pro-GESTATION hormone - it gets you ready for pregnancy in the second half of your cycle (and is important to maintain pregnancy)- slowing down digestion (more nutrients absorbed) ie constipation, makes you retain water, causes sore breasts/nipples, makes you hungry, crave carbs and can help you sleep but too much can cause depression. Sound a bit like PMS? why is it that we have PMS in the second half of our cycle when we make progesterone? Why is it we feel our best in the middle of our cycle when our estradiol is highest and we have very little to no progesterone?

        I know there is a lot of controversy about this, but I just wanted to share my opinion and that I think the media and advertisers are dead wrong about estrogen- particularly estradiol- making women scared of a hormone that protects the brain, heart, bones and has hundreds of other beneficial functions in the body- and could potentially keep them healthier well past menopause (if started early on). Re cancer, it should be noted, and never is, that in the WHI study, that the hysterectomy arm of the study, who took no progestins, just estrogen, though it was non-bioidentical premarin (horse estrogen), actually had significantly lowered levels of breast cancer. It was the prem-pro group, with uteruses, who took the synthetic progestin combo therapy that had increased cancers. It is also worth noting that many women in this study were either sedentary, obese, or smokers- not exactly what one might call "healthy" to start out with.

        Obviously, the important thing in the end is to have bloodwork done at the appropriate times in the cycle to see where you stand yourself.
        Just wanted to throw out my own opinion and some info so people can do their own research. I hope someone will benefit.
        take care and best to all.