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    Wondering if anyone has any knowledge in this area. This is totally new to me. My husband has an acquired bone marrow mutation (PNH) and, among other things, he's been chronically anemia for the past 12 years from hemolysis. So we know everything there is to know about raising iron levels. He's been getting so many tranfusions lately that now his ferritin levels are too high. Ironically, he is still fatigued all the time because his hemoglobin levels are still quite low.

    So far, he's drinking tea or milk with every meal to inhibit iron absorption from his food.

    Cut red meat out of his diet entirely. No more apricots, molasses, etc.

    He's going to take milk thistle daily instead of only when he's jaundiced.

    Increasing intake of sulfur-rich foods.

    Take turmeric daily instead of occasionally.

    I've read some Chinese and ayurvedic herbs can help get excess iron out of the body. Anyone have any info?
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  • #2
    Lisa,

    Did you see this... in addition to adding tumeric... consider the binder from food and make sure the bowel is moving and he is sweating on a regular basis. I will not preclude detox bath... I saw cabbage is a big iron chelator... definitely many places mention tea, green tea, etc. for the tannins blocks the iron.

    "Spinach ,whole grains such as buckwheat and amaranth, other vegetables such as chard and rhubarb, as well as beans and nuts, all contain significant levels of oxalic acid, which binds with iron, inhibiting its absorption. Soy beans contain phytic acid, which also bind iron. Tea and coffee contain tannins, which block iron absorption. Clay and heavy metals also inhibit iron absorption."

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hema...2007.27.12.pdf

    There is more than one place mentioned clay... a little orally, or use as clay mask or in bath.
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    • #3
      I wonder if you have seen this... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3821171/
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      • Soliloquy72
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        Yes, I did read that one and I took notes of all the foods and herbs. So many herbs were listed. I guess I'll just start with what I can find affordably.

    • #4
      I have read about too much iron causes cancer or it is highly correlated the occurrence of cancer with high iron... then of course once women are in menopause and no longer having the monthly bleeding and that overload of iron will becomes a health hazard. Understanding that iron increases the yeast overgrowth and the structure of cancer cell has many similarity of yeast...

      Iron hibits the various enzyme too and enzyme can digest yeast and cancer... This who ball of wax seems to be having circular referencing issue.

      So, my take is all that we are doing to prevent cancer or candida will be good for the iron overloading issue. I have looked to iron chelation herbs suggested and they all seem like the herbs recommended for menopause women.

      Of course, the iron issue had a lot to do with liver, kidney and bowel elimination... So, maybe not to just focus on iron chelation, but overall elimination organ health.

      Everything good for menopause, alzheimers, Parkinsons, Candida seems to be the things for iron issue.

      So funny that some of the suggestion from iron overloaded people was to donate blood.
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      • Soliloquy72
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        We have to be very, very careful with any detox because his elimination pathways are already overworked from hemolysis. Jaundice and a swollen spleen are common for him.

    • #5
      Lisa,

      Always, it is either Curezone or Earth Clinic will give you some comfort in knowing there are folksy remedies that might work...

      So, coleslaw 1/2 to 1 cup a day and see how that goes... There is always coffee enema (when it get to that point that you want to consider look up SA Wilson).

      https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hemochromatosis.html
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      • #6
        If coleslaw works, then you will like to make sauerkraut and so it is not just cabbage, it is fermented cabbage that will give the gut flora a boost. This will help in many ways and feel free to come to the Wahl's protocol thread... I think we have fermented recipes embedded.

        Sauerkraut is relatively easy to make. Cut up the cabbage (I even get precut coleslaw) just put a lot of pink salt to release the cabbage juice out, and then add the sauerkraut brine from store bought sauerkraut or add whey from yogurt (strain plain yogurt for yogurt cream and get the whey).

        I wonder if napa cabbage does the same, as I do make my own kim chee now or get store bought when I run out.
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        • northmom
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          I make a lot of sauerkraut and I have never added whey or brine from storebought stuff. I let it ferment a month in a closed jar. Apparently the stuff goes thro 4 stages of fermenting and its the last stage or so that really adds the beneficial probiotics. Who knows.The interesting thing is I have got my aunts and my mom to taste it and they all say it tastes like my grandma's did! Her recipe is to ferment a week to 10 days. I was expecting mine to be very strong. If you do purple cabbage, it turns out simply gorgeous, plus on the Wahl's, it counts for color as well as the cabbage part!

      • #7
        I've been making fermented vegetables, kombucha, and kefir for over a decade. He is being sure to try and eat cabbage daily.

        I did read that soy was excellent for chelating iron, specifically soy protein powder. Blech, I avoid soy like the plague and I think it tastes awful. But we can try organic soy protein poweder for 6 weeks and see what happens. The extra drug they want to put him on is even worse than soy, as far as health, so if it works, we'll be thrilled.
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        • #8
          Chelation is a risky business, as most of the time, you cannot pick and choose what to chelate and he will end up being multiple mineral imbalanced.

          Liver and spleen is impacted already? Definitely add sulphur vegetables, cabbage, broccoli, onion, garlic, or MSM, they are the precursor for glutathione. Definitely add enzyme to make the lymph more fluid and the spleen will work better.

          I grew up eating soy, in real soy bean that is cured and seasoned, fried like peanuts, tofu, tofu skin for dessert, sweet soft tofu, delicious soy milk, etc. I can find none of these yummy treat in U.S. except in the regular Chinese grocery stores. We don't use the soy milk in the American brands, and we do take soy power or soy isolate.

          Soy needs to be fermented and cook and heated in certain temperature, and I doubt those ground up soy powder has done the proper treatment, so please do not add soy. I have not been eating soy for a long time (except what I can curate from Chinese market or grocery store, and only organic).
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          • #9
            You might as well read these as part of your research... Lactoferrin? https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1552633

            Haha, this one say Apple Cider Vinegar... https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=844773

            Ok, this one is talking about if iodine, copper and zinc is low, therefore the iron did not get used up fast enough? https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=860255

            Was there a full mineral profile done? https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2185813

            Curezone is full on with researches!
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            • #10


              Ok, what is his copper level?

              https://www.curezone.org/art/read.asp?ID=11&db=3&C0=1


              "Iron
              An essential component of red blood cells, iron combines with protein and copper to make hemoglobin, the pigment of the red blood cells. Studies have shown that women with iron deficiency have decreased physical stamina and endurance. Iron deficiency, the main cause of anemia, is common during all phases of a woman´s life, because of both poor nutritional habits and regular blood loss through menstruation. Iron deficiency frequently causes fatigue and low energy states.

              Women who suffer from heavy menstrual bleeding are more likely to be iron deficient than woman with normal menstrual flow. In fact, some medical studies have found that inadequate iron intake may be a cause of excessive bleeding as well as an effect of the problem. Women who suffer from heavy menstrual bleeding should have their red blood count checked to see if supplemental iron and a high iron diet are necessary.

              Good sources of iron include liver, blackstrap molasses, beans and peas, seeds and nuts, and certain fruits and vegetables. The body absorbs and assimilates the heme iron from meat sources, such as liver, much better than the nonheme iron from vegetarian sources. To absorb non-heme iron properly, you must take it with at least 75 milligrams of vitamin C."
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              • #11
                His high ferritin is entirely due to blood transfusions. He gets 1-2 bags of red cells (they remove the other parts of the blood) transfused either every month or every month.


                Thanks for the rest of the info.

                The only reason I'm considering the soy protein powder is that it was effective in a clinical trial, just 6 weeks reduced ferritin levels.
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