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    I’ve had a question about measuring I’ve never remembered to ask since beginning T-Tapp 4 years ago. Why do we measure in T-Tapp stance instead of relaxed? This came up again in the thread about “RX for de stressing, etc” with waist- hip ratio, which is measured relaxed. So this has always been confusing to me since I can Curl my core quite a bit and totally change the ratio of waist to hip in the T-Tapp stance compared to any other measurement which doesn’t change whether in stance or relaxed. It’s also how I know I don’t have diastis recti. I measure 37-42-40 (waist-abs-hip) relaxed and 34-39-39 in T-Tapp stance. Anyone have an explanation for me? Or thoughts? Anyone else have that kind of change in measurements between relaxed and T-Tapp stance?

  • #2
    This helped me some as I read further down the “workout” post, since I have similar diet and blood lipids to Aurora ;-)
    From ayj67
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    03-10-2012, 03:11 PM

    Nancy, not Michelle, this might be helpful until Michelle sheds more lights. If you are reading this, don't let any one who is male nearby! (per Trisch's suggestion) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist%E2%80%93hip_ratio

    I think it is better suit for people who has a longer torso or a combo, it is bias against short torso.

    I am always between 29/34.5 at my skinniest, and mostly 30/35 or 31/36 for waist and hip when I am more relax with myself. I am automatically at 84% - 86% waist to hip. Always a high indicator for health risk if I am compared to people who could have 26/36 waist to hip.

    I am sticking with my short torso prospective.




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    Last edited by KayeEss; 06-13-2018, 07:05 AM.

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    • ayj67
      ayj67 commented
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      LOL, I never measure in T-Tapp stance... "relax" does not mean what you think it means. I meant I eat poorly and don't do a lot of workouts and just cruise along on a very relaxing maintenance mode. Relaxing in my healthy eating and workout (actually, like slacking off will be better).

  • #3
    I think it was so people would have consistency. If you're in the stance you're activated. But measuring yourself, it's easier to do it NOT in stance. I have never measured in T-Tapp stance since I always measured myself.

    Diastasis recti--you can sign up for a free preview of my course, and the first lesson is a video demo of how to tell if you have one. Second lesson is a document of what not to do and third is a video of how to get up and down from the floor, a bed and a soft chair to protect the core while healing (or strengthening if you have a weak core but no gap):

    https://be-youthful-n-fit.teachable....sis-sneak-peek

    Hope that is helpful!
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    • #4
      Oh I’d love to check out your preview! Thanks for the link.

      When I first started I didn’t measure then I realized the brochure said to do it in the stance, so I remeasured and I remember I shocked Lauren at the office because she thought I had a 5 inch loss in my waist that month but I said I’d just changed how I measured and she said that was a good indicator I didn’t have DR. Thoughts?

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      • BlessedMama
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        Well, DR can affect more than just the waist. Even a small gap can cause a weak core and lack of inch loss anywhere from under ribs to the pubic bone. I can see why she would think that--you are more activated "in stance" so a bulge would show up. But not everyone gets that bulge or "tent effect" in the middle.

    • #5
      Trisch,

      I just watched video 1 out of curiosity. What are some other indicators of DR? I "think" I can feel a slight gap, maybe half of my index finger both below and above. It is funny to check and feel both sides of the abdominal wall. I had my gallbladder out as well at my belly button so the deeper gap there is probably from that.

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      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        I have low back ache, especially with standing and moves that require bending and twisting, but nothing else mentioned. The "feeling like my insides are ripping out" is period related for me, but that isn't all the time. I have a lot of pelvic pressure, but as well feel that is female related.

        When I follow you in the video I can definitely feel where the two sides meet and there is a slight gap. Thoughts?

        Should you NOT be able to feel a gap at all?

        P.S. I just looked at Lesson 2 - is it coincidental that everything you mention NOT to do is what seems to really bother my back LATER? I have no trouble during the workout, but the next day it will be hard to stand up and walk. We have discussed this before so it could just be that my core is weak, which we already figured out. Just wondering if I should be focusing on some DD work?

        Thanks again.
        Last edited by AlisaJDrury; 06-13-2018, 08:47 PM.

      • BlessedMama
        BlessedMama commented
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        Alisa, a gap of 1 finger or less, especially if you have had children, is not bad. Closed is optimal and surprisingly I DID close mine after 10 term pregnancies! Except at my navel where the gall bladder came out--but it is like "half" a finger, which is one finger turned sideways.

        And that IS interesting that the things I say to not do is what you notice bothering your back! I would say that definitely points to your core being weaker and even if you don't have a gap, or much of one, the DD work helps strengthen the core. Think of DD as ab rehab. It breaks things down into small steps to lay a foundation and build on that to strengthen the core (and close any gaps or at least make the smaller) along with improving pelvic floor strength at the same time. Then you have a stronger core for your workouts, along with more ab awareness to get better results--and not undo the hard work you did to close the gap/strengthen the core!

      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        Trisch, I retested tonight and not sure if there is one, but this was after CF Pretzel Twist class so maybe that is why. IF it is there, it is small. However, your DD class starting in August is my plan. I just really feel that the little bit of curling that I have been doing is helping so I need to continue trying to improve that area.

    • #6
      Yep, no gap, but I do have to catch my bad posture pretty much all day every day (a dozen times a day) so there’s plenty of opportunity for the pressure from my bad posture to .... what? Stretch out my abs wall and undo what I did for tightening and toning? Or is something else at play that makes me bulge out so far when relaxed?

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      • #7
        Alisa, I resonate with what you’re saying about having a backache later if I don’t activate my core for sitting up, standing tall, lifting, bending, etc. If I don’t consciously activate my core, it doesn’t hold. I guess I thought that as it strengthened (I’m waaaay stronger in my core than when I started T-Tapp!) it would just be stronger, not need such a conscious activation, like consciously sucking in when you’ve got a slimmer fitting outfit on, you know. Actually, Hee hee, I did that one day just at home with the kids, wore one of my really nice dresses that I need to have belly button up and back to look good in, you know, and it really made a difference in my activation all day. That’s the bummer of comfy home clothes!

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        • AlisaJDrury
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          KayeEss Haha about comfy house clothes. I love my sweats, yoga pants and leggings. I hate putting on real clothes when we go out special.

          Anyhow, I totally agree with being more conscious to activate more. This may be why my back is feeling better lately because I have been trying to be conscious of ribs up more often. Also when I am working out I am trying really hard to remember to pull belly button to spine.

      • #8
        3-5 inches of change at one spot between regular standing and T-Tapp stance is quite a bit of difference. That means that you have a lot of cavity airspace in you mid-section that has not been tighten. How is your protein and collagen intake.... Are you growing muscles fast enough? In order to get all these repair and rebuild going, you have to eat well (protein and collagen), have enough sleep, and do moderate exercise daily...

        You are looking at size, I am looking at fatigue body being stressed out about size and inch loss. Trust me, until you completely weaned not just down to one feeding, you body will hold on to reserve and will not get rid of the water weight or fat reserve as you are still lactating. When you stop lactating for 6 months to 9 months, all in a sudden, the body will snap in the realization that baby is done nursing, no need to do all those saving up.

        So, just relax and get your correct alignment and muscle activation basic done right. As correct alignment and good muscle tone will be the basis for rapid inch loss.
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        • #9
          @Aurora, that helps me understand a bit more about this issue, thanks! Hearing you say you think it’s air space makes me feel more at ease about visceral fat, which is of course the big danger of the high waist to hip ratio. And that also gives some insight into the benefit of measuring in T-Tapp stance, seeing how compact you can get. So starting with this week's measurement for the end of the challenge I’m going to do both stance and relaxed measurement for waist and abs since they are so different from each other and really I’m hoping they’ll both go down.

          I eat eat meat a few times a week, a couple servings of dairy every day, and a couple eggs a day. We’re much better about collagen from bone broth in the cool months, but I can make some gelatin gummies next week. Good idea to keep that going year round. Honestly I am a pretty positive, confident person, so I’m not fretting or stressing over my fluff. I just really appreciate hearing you say you think it’s storage while I nurse. So I’ll just keep pressing on.

          Moderate exercise to me means 15 min a day total along with extra moves or stepping. A light day is more like 5- 7 min and a intense day (where I find I get some swelling) is like 30 min a day. What do you think about that?

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          • #10
            Yes, Kay, looking back at my weight or inch loss for both of my sons. The first one, I nurse for 27 months... I was under a lot of stress at work and seriously, I really don't worry about my size and inches, I was never that small to begin with and I have a full time job at the CPA firm (that is like 2 job for most people) and I am a mom at home for my husband did not do much household work wise. I did not start low carb eating and life style until Jan 2005 (my son was 4 and I got this high blood pressure thing going on and high fasting blood sugar and my mother was diagnosed with Type II diabetes, and I had recurring yeast infection, it did not take long for me to realize I will be diabetic pretty son, and stroke ran in my family, and I had 15x/18x when I was giving birth to my son). Since my first born was already weaned for 1.5 year, I had no problem with the low carb South Beach and then Perricone, I lost 55 lbs over a year and maintained until I got pregnant with my second son, and I keep a permanent 30 lbs lost even thru the second pregnancy.

            With my son, I weaned him in March 2010, even I went back to very strict low card as I did before (eating good organic food fruit a la Perricone), I lost nothing. I went to the gym and started the same routine as I did the first time... it did nothing, I lost 1 lb over 3 month and I started going to the gym 7 days a week and working 1.5 to 2 hours a time (instead of just Mon-Fri 1 hour each day). I ended up hurting my knees...

            That is when I stop the routine and stop the strict low carbing (I still have relatively low in comparison to regular American diet). I went back to read the Perricone book again to try to figure out what was wrong and I saw Teresa's center fold again. This time around, I tried the workout with the written instruction (the first time, I was already pregnant).... This time, the verbiage about rehab and no impact to the knees caught my eyes...

            As they say, the rest is history... I did T-Tapp starting July 2010 (after researching the internet, reading the book and watching all the DVDs I have) and I lost 20+ inches within a month. I guess I already started perimenopause after my second son, as my period changed from 35 days to 30 days after he was born. Of course, as I stated, it take a good 6 months to 9 months for the maternal hormone to stop holding on to fat and water (that is what my ob/gyn told me in my first checkup after my first was born, he said there is always at least 10 lbs of water and fat the body hold on to for the baby and don't do crazy diet and exercise as a new mother).

            Eating well is important, sleeping well is important. Aim for health and pain relief and do the workout consistently, everything will fall into place. Everyone has their own schedule and in different health stage, but just be consistent and do not do what you body cannot handle.

            That said, it is important to get your muscles tone back and heal your DR if you have it. I don't think I have DR, but I did have loose and lazy upper abs, as I was never told to use my abs until Teresa came along. Every single T-Tapp workout, sitting, standing lying down involved the core muscles, if you abs are not sore and tight, you are not using it.

            Use your core and sit up straight even nursing, if the maternal girdle thing puts pressure and uneasiness and force you to start pulling in the abs, get one and start training you mind to muscles.

            There was one retreat, Teresa was trying to demonstrate bad posture, she has to consciously let her abs out and collapse her rig cage down to the waist and slump... So, Teresa does her abs in lats tight in every single waking moment... I guess we have to do better than just a few mins a day during T-Tapp. That is why it is better that you do a little daily instead of just let yourself go for 3 days and do 1 long workout and get yourself all tired out and won't do anything again for days. Get your NK back, get your muscles control on demand.
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            • #11
              Regarding swelling.... It has to do with acidic and kidney functions. Kidney is not the sexy organ and nobody talks about it, everyone is liver liver liver... Kidney and adrenal is incharge or water weight and swelling and the poor elimination. It is understandable that mothers have bad kidney as we were the bathroom for a good 9 months and we stress about the kids and we cannot even go to the bathroom when we were dealing with crying kids and cooking.

              It will be the best that you keep up with vinegar, apple cider or rice or grape, it does not matter. Vinegar is the universal solution to minerals and acidity. Use it liberally and daily. Lemon and lime, if you have access to inexpensive source, use that daily and frequently. These sour stuff dissolves mineral deposits and keep us alkaline and healthy.

              I have a friend who went to see my sister for some carnal sacral therapy when he went to HK, my sister told her to take ACV daily with a teaspoon of honey first thing in the morning. After he went on it for a month, he told me that his hemorrhoid was gone... Ha ha ha, his is pretty open and forth coming about issues and I am sure my sister and I do not routine ask or suspect men having hemorrhoid, we are just trying to make sure he will remove his scarring tissues at his ankle and shoulder, improve his range of motion from old injuries (old injuries site are often tough with fascias thicken and mineral deposits).
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              • #12
                Yup, regarding the swelling and kidney, my friend also told me that he does not need to get up to go to bathroom in the middle of the night... That is shrinking of kidney and bladder stone. Vinegar and sour is also a thing that we should be consistent with. If you don't want incontinence and swelling, keep up with lemon and vinegar.
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                • #13
                  Regarding way of eating that can help... When you are completely done with nursing, and I really mean complete, and no relapse of bonding or once every week feeding, you can start doing low carb. The low carb is not a little bit of carb every single meal, do no carb for dinner. Just vegetables with a little protein, then a lot of broth... When you have no carb after 6 pm, you body will switch to fat burning mode...

                  You can resume eating fruit or rice moderately in the day time. This kind of intermittent carb fast will help you repair and rebuild better, even there is really no fasting or dieting, but you give your body a chance to use up the carb and get into ketosis. Ketosis is the time that the body will breakdown unnecessary and unneeded muscles and tissue (that include loosen old muscles) and recycle.
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