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    Question posted by TravelinTexan 02-06-2004, 08:01 AM

    Hi. I just received the Organs in Place tape. I have to tell you that it looks very weird to me. Would you share your personal OIP experience with me? Thanks and cheers!

    Cheers!
    TravelinTexan


    Answered by Sherry


    Hey ladies,

    OIP is a fabulous move for lots of reasons. Remember, the purpose is to flatten the abdominal wall before contracting the muscle.

    I've always thought of the name as meaning more about what happens as the muscles become stronger. You build a natural girdle around the body which holds the 'organs in place' -- nice and tight.

    As we age, the muscles often weaken and allow things to drift south a bit. Not hugely so, but some. Also, we often store fat around the organs creating more of a pooch. Finally, the very important transversus abdominus also weakens allowing even more of a pooch.

    Starting on the left side, dig in deep, and push the fat tissue and poochy things (probably most typically intestines) up to the center belly button before tightening the muscles underneath. This flattens everything as much as possible before contracting. Ditto on the other side.

    I like to do a two-stage 'big dig' for the center. Start with your left hand above the bladder, dig in and push up. You probably have a little bulge below the belly button. Keeping the left hand in place, dig in below the bulge and push up. Depending on how much opportunity you have in this area, you may feel like things are now in the ribs.

    At this point, think in terms of scooping out the now flatter lower tummy ... and try to pull your hip bones to the center. Now tighten the muscles while scooping the tummy and begin the tucks.

    Want a little more work on those abs?

    Before you start the tucks - but after the final big dig - raise your big toes and push down on the floor with the outside of your feet. Feel the muscles kick in down deep below your finger tips?

    Editing to add the all too important tush squeeze. To maximize the contraction in the abs, squeeze the glutes really, really hard. This is the last step before the pelvic tucks. Why is it the last step? Because you want your abdominal wall as flat as possible before contracting hard.

    Now about the trans abs. This muscles does indeed run along the inside of the hip bone. It is the deepest abdominal muscle and is frequently a guilty player in low back pain -- meaning it is often weak if you have an achy breaky back.

    But this muscle is often out of shape and darn hard to find ... much less feel when it engages. That means that many people can't think 'contract' or 'work' ... and it will. Instead, we have to create conditions that force it to work. OIP does do that and if you raise your big toes and push on the outside of the feet, you are opening your hip bones which should tug on that muscle and give you a better workout. Add squeezing the glutes like there is no tomorrow and wowser! What a phenomenal move. If you can't feel the abs kick in deep along the pelvic / hip bones, then trust that this will come with time.

    The real beauty in forcing this muscle to work is the KLT stance. Yes, sure enough, that stance opens the hip bones and tugs on that muscle. That is one of the reasons why it is so important to hold the KLT stance throughout. Not doing so is one of the most significant reasons for less that expected inch loss.

    Well enough for now. Just thought a little more info might be helpful.

    Next time you have an anatomy book, look up the transversus abdominus.

    T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
    Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer
    Last edited by Forum Angel; 04-13-2016, 11:19 AM.

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    Jhaele
    03-14-2007, 01:59 PM

    Hi all. I think this is as good a place as any to post this even though it's an old thread (hate to start another one on same topic).

    I've been doing the flat stomach exercises that came on the DVD with the book for almost a week now. I can feel my ab muscles, and I feel my butt during the tucks. However, as soon as I lift my bottom off the floor to let "gravity assist" I feel like everything is on my neck and my chin is like touching my chest. I am consciously trying to keep my shoulders down and I can feel my lats engaged, but I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong.

    Any ideas or advice is greatly appreciated!
    Donna


    Wanda_H
    03-14-2007, 02:16 PM

    I have been doing OIP for the past week and this morning my arms (bicep) area felt a little sore. Is this because when you are laying on the floor you are tighten your upper body. Is this a good sore or am I doing something incorrectly? I am following the CD.

    Thank you!


    monica213
    03-14-2007, 02:21 PM

    quote:However, as soon as I lift my bottom off the floor to let "gravity assist" I feel like everything is on my neck and my chin is like touching my chest.


    Make sure when doing the OIP part that your butt is tucked and the lower back is pressed into the floor (not lifted off of the floor)Keep your shoulders pressed into the floor also. Also make certain that your chin is not tilted toward your chest, think to have an orange fit between your chest and chin.

    quote: I have been doing OIP for the past week and this morning my arms (bicep) area felt a little sore.


    In what position are your hands and arms?

    Michelle Barbuto
    Senior T-Tapp Trainer


    Wanda_H
    03-14-2007, 02:44 PM

    Thanks for the reply. I will double check tonight to make sure my shoulders are pressed onto the floor. I will visualize an orange or stick one there. My arms are exactly how Teresa says, in a up position. Thanks.

    Jhaele
    03-15-2007, 01:40 PM

    quote:Originally posted by monica213

    Make sure when doing the OIP part that your butt is tucked and the lower back is pressed into the floor (not lifted off of the floor)Keep your shoulders pressed into the floor also. Also make certain that your chin is not tilted toward your chest, think to have an orange fit between your chest and chin.



    Ok...in the DVD Teresa has her bottom lifted off the floor during that whole section and lowers just before half frogs. So I should do it lying flat first?

    And I can feel my lats totally engaged and shoulders in the floor, but I do notice I am consciously pausing and pushing them back down. It's like the weight just scoots everything up there when ya do the butt tucks! LOL.

    Thanks

    brngckn
    03-15-2007, 01:46 PM


    I think maybe Michelle made a typo. HF is done with shoulders and lower back pressed into the floor. Aside from the initial setup, OIP is executed with hips off the floor (not real high, just a few inches).

    Kirsten, Senior Trainer
    the Travelin' T-Tapp Trainer from Texas



    Jhaele
    03-15-2007, 05:37 PM

    quote:Originally posted by brngckn

    Aside from the initial setup, OIP is executed with hips off the floor (not real high, just a few inches).

    Kirsten, Senior Trainer
    the Travelin' T-Tapp Trainer from Texas




    Ahhh...Maybe that's it! Maybe I am lifting my butt too high? LOL. I'll try keeping it a bit lower and see if I can rectify that

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    • #3
      More posts from the original thread....

      I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but I can tell you how OIP made me feel personally. I do OIP from the written instructions on the website, but I think I am doing it correctly from what I hear on these boards. If you are doing it correctly, you can actually feel the organs move. With me, if I happened to do OIP within a few hours of eating or drinking, it would feel very odd. I have seen results with this move. I have been doing only the moves on the website since the beginning of the year, and I definately see results in that area. HTH

      Marnie


      OIP made me nauseous at first. Of course I'm kind of quesy so it could of been just the thought of my organs moving around I don't know.

      No, really, I did them and felt them up higher. Sometimes I'd feel short of breath afterwards. The funny thing, I'd do it right before my w/o and it is SOOO much easier to keep the stomach tight during exercise. Thus you see double the results. I can tell such a huge difference in my abdomen area. You're money is well spent since you purchased OIP.

      Juanita



      I carry a lot of weight in my tummy and so I don't really feel much when I do this, but it does work. In the past when I've been consistent it has helped with my tummy pouch but more importantly, I have had 4 ten pound babies and my uterus sits on my bladder. When I'm not doing OIP regularly, a sneeze or cough could cause bladder problems. This does not happen when doing OIP regularly.

      Nora


      Tex,

      Good question! I had a question about OIP a few months ago. A friend of mine tried it and was floored. Her results were visible after she went home. Even her DH was shocked. She is a RN, and so she called me over and we started looking through books. We got really confused because, you're not really able to move your organs. They are attached to our bodies.

      So, I called Lauren at the office. She explained to me that when we do OIP we are really moving our transverse abdominus muscle. That is the muscle that forms the bottom of our internal girdle. As we age, gravity pulls on our body, and this muscle "falls". So, in OIP, we manually pull the muscle up back where it is supposed to be to complete the bottom of our internal girdle. Does that make a little more sense?

      Since I found this out, I've been doing OIP at night before I go to bed. I use gravity while I'm sleeping to accentuate the benefits. It has made a difference in getting my lower tummy to remain flat.

      Hope this helped.
      Jenny




      Cool. I ordered the tape yesterday too. I did OIP at Carols once, with her guide, and I DID feel them move. I've tried it at home by myself, and I don't feel anything. I'm doing something wrong. I don't know. I carry so much adipose in that area, I guess I have to "dig" more, maybe.

      That last sentence just made my eyes pop when I reread it. Hopefully, I won't have to "dig" in a few months.



      What I thought felt weird is after doing OIP, then standing up I could feel things moving back, Yuck! I feel like I have a more difficult time keeping the muscles tight while doing OIP.</SPAN>

      Susan


      Wow, Sherry! Thanks for the information. I was just thinking last night how much I've changed my "innards" doing OIP. I'm glad I can go to a new level and use my feet to get even more from it.
      Mav


      When I do OIP on the B/R tape, they fall out before I have a chance to stretch to each side. When Theresa says you can feel it way up, I do for about a second before they collapse. I try to keep them in place with all my might, but am pretty weak in the stomach. Any suggestions?
      Brenda


      Brenda,

      Sorry for the delay.

      First, I find doing OIP in the standing position with the box to be darn hard. Doing OIP on the floor will greatly help. You will build strength faster if you add OIP on the floor. And, it will help you get the sensation. You can find printed directions under Try Before You Buy.

      Now for the standing version with the box. Remember, the purpose of digging in and pushing up is to flatten the abdominal wall before tightening the muscles.

      If you are able to hold the lower abs flatter than they otherwise are during this move, then you are doing something even if it feels frustrating.

      As you lean forward, dig deep and push up as you TUCK your tush to roll back up. Right here is where things get important and a critical part many miss.

      Your shoulders probably rolled forward with the digging action. You must roll the shoulders back and down with your hands in place. If your shoulders stay forward, you will not pull on the muscles adequately and the coming isometric contraction will not be as strong as it can be. ROLL THE SHOULDERS BACK before doing anything else.

      Recheck your KLT stance. Bend deeply and TUCK HARD by rolling the femur in the hip socket.

      SQUEEZE the glutes as hard as you can which will help you tighted the flatter lower tummy. With the glutes tight, tight, tight ... now try to tighten the lower tummy.

      Keep the shoulders back ... its a challenge with your hands in front holding your lower tummy in place.

      As you tilt to one side, PUSH the knees out. Think about raising the upper body ONLY by pushing the opposite knee out.

      If you keep your shoulders back, tush tucked hard and squeezed so hard it seems there is only one cheek, you should feel this move more.



      T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
      Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer




      First, Sherry, you are an angel - your posts are so inclusive and welcoming I'm sure everyone from newbies to old hands must appreciate them.

      My question is for everyone who has a handle on doing OIP right before sleep at night. Do you do this in bed? Does it work on a mattress or is there not enough support? Do you do it on the floor and then somehow keep abs "ab"-solutely tightened while you make a mad lunge for the bed without breathing? Inquiring minds want to get this right

      MomAtHome



      Mom ... this is TOO GOOD! How funny!!!!!

      I confess that I don't do OIP every night ... although I should. I guess I have a prejudice about NOT exercising in bed (except for some things!) and do it on the floor. The floor just provides more support. Afterwards, I don't worry much about it and just hop into bed.

      Will be interesting to hear other opinions.

      T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
      Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer




      Sherry,

      I appreciate the time you put into the answer. Your assumption is correct. My form is not what you are describing. I cannot wait to try it this evening during my T-Tapp time.

      Thanks again Sherry!!

      Brenda




      I tried Sherry's tips and really felt it - thanks. Never be shy about pausing a video to take time for great form.

      Any other answers about your before-sleep OIP routines, guys?

      MomAtHome




      Bumping again re some recent questions.

      One more of my favorite critical tips. One the pelvic is up and you've done the final "lift" so to speak from the center ... tighten the muscles under your fingers. Now, and only now, tighten the glutes. I mean really squeeze those cheeks and feel the abs kick in even more.

      Holding the glutes tight as well as the abs, start the pelvic tilts. Holding the glutes tight, abs tight and elbows pushing in the floor, go to the knees in and out. Same thing with the last part of the sequence where you drop the tush to the floor, push up, squeeze knees in and control them out ... TIGHT butt, TIGHT abs and PUSH those elbows into the floor!

      Oh, this is so very good!

      T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
      Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer

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      • #4
        Sherry's hints are great. I'm going to try them today.

        Last night I happened to go to Lanette's site (link in the weighted shoe forum)and found a very nice explanation what's going on with the transverse muscle. She does a great job relating OIP and Half Frogs. It helps complete the big picture.

        Peanut Butter




        I've been out of shape for a while in the abs area. Doing OIP I have noticed a huge difference in being able to girdle in the guts. I don't have the "salad bowl under the shirt" look anymore. In fact I noticed such a significant difference that every time I feel I can squeeze an OIP in the B/R w/o I do. I believe it's helped a lot.

        However, I may be doing something wrong because I don't feel the muscle tightening between my hip bones when doing OIP. I squinch and squinch but there doesn't seem to be any tone there at the hip area at all. I thought that maybe it was because I was out of shape and that it would eventually build after time, but, after reading Sherry's post about the involuntary muscle I thought maybe that's the muscle she's talking about. I can't seem to think the muscle into contraction. I'm going to try the suggested NBT (No Big Toe) and see if that helps. Thanks Sherry!



        quote:
        Now about the trans abs. This muscles does indeed run along the inside of the hip bone. It is the deepest abdominal muscle and is frequently a guilty player in low back pain -- meaning it is often weak if you have an achy breaky back.

        But it is a flat muscle which means it is involuntary. That means that you can't think 'contract' or 'work' ... and it will. Instead, we have to create conditions that force it to work. OIP does do that and if you raise your big toes and push on the outside of the feet, you are opening your hip bones which should tug on that muscle and give you a better workout.



        Kathy Evans



        Kathy,

        I assume you are doing OIP on the floor ... not with The Box.

        Try pushing your fingers in more. Actually, it's hard to say if you are tightening the internal obliques or trans abs -- they are very close together and can be quite confusing.

        It may take time to feel the muscles but push deep and keep trying. There will come a day when they seem to pop out of nowhere!

        For now, don't worry about trying to pull your hip bones together. Just push in, try to tighted the muscles and after the final lift, squeeze those glutes like your life depends on it. Keep squeezing the glutes all the way through the pelvic tilts.

        T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
        Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer



        Bumnping for donnaja. Look down about midway for info on standing OIP which is what I think you are asking about.

        I would add to that by saying ... Keeping pushing IN (shoulders back). Why? This helps with your muscular neurokinetic awareness which is a fancy way of saying that you will probably be able to FEEL the muscles kick in more.

        Also, be sure to push out with the opposite knee as you start to raise from the side tilt.

        T-Tappin' best from Houston,Texas
        Sherry, T-Tapp Trainer




        I've been practicing the great tips here and thought since it popped up again I'd chime in.

        I can finally feel the muscle in my stomach now, but it is weak. I think I'm just that out of shape. With that said, I am still seeing results.

        One more question though... I seem to really feel it in my back muscles more than my stomach. Is that normal or do I need to tweek my form?

        Kathy Evans



        thank you thank thank you for all of the OIP answers -Sherry you are very descriptive and I will start doing on the floor since someone mentioned standing for the box move is harder-when I get it right and have that aaah moment I will let you know-no one could be more clear on the directions but I can't seem to get it yet-but I will, thanks all for the help

        donnaja

        I have a printout of 3 (out of 23!) pages of the original thread dating back in 2004. Below, I will retype just one more post of Sherry:

        I love OIP and REALLY like to follow with "don't flop 'em' and follow that with the Tush Elevator move. I call it that because we lower the tush to the "first" floor, then carry THE load to the "penthouse", open the elevator door (knees wide but don't flop 'em!), close the door and back down to the first floor.

        My ideal set of OIP is:

        Pelvic tilts with the tush nice-n-tight

        Following by "don't flop 'em" ... tush very tight and elbows pushing in the floor each time the knees squeeze together

        Following by the Elevator ... tush very tight and elbows pushing each time you raise and with each knee squeeze

        I feel ALL of this pull across the abs in the deepest way possible, through all the muscles in the tush, big time in the inner thighs and the added plus is the hip flexors and upper thighs.

        Gotta love it!



        ♦Tamara♦

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