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  • Need a Reboot - MORE or SF?

    I was working on learning the BWO+ Instructional 1. I only did three days in a row with the third day pausing more to practice, but definitely was kicking out more that day. Somehow I messed up my left hip. I do not think my back likes all the twisting and bent over bobbing. Plus I have to admit, I never really put a good effort in with Trisch and Aurora's advice to do More or SF until I feel rehabilitated again so my back has never been "right." I am REALLY sorry for that!! My plan was to learn BWO+ and then do a BC because I feel fine except for my back and that only hurts WHEN I exercise so I am clearly not doing something right.

    So, I have decided to do either More or SF, but not sure which one would be better and what the differences are. I know SF is full muscle activation (which is awesome), but slower and that it is a good one to take the learned activation to other workouts and be able to apply that.

    I remember MORE as being very slow, lots of water breaks and maybe I was a little bored, but I am willing to start there if that is the best thing.

    I want to do the right thing and listen to the trainer advice this time. I am tired of being fluffy but know I need to heal my back first and become stronger physically. The only time I feel really good is when I do not exercise at all and this makes me MAD!! I know I need TT for hormones, weight loss and better muscle tone, I just need to figure out the right way to go about it so I do not keep getting hurt and then not doing anything for three months.

    I am sorry this is so long. I look forward to any advice you feel will help.

    As always, Thank you ALL for all your help!!

    Alisa
    Mother and Grandmother to a 7 y.o. grandson and 3 y.o. granddaughter
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  • #2
    I may have found my answer in my notes. I have written down SF - learn each move on different days after PBS to learn SF style of activation - then go to More and learn with SF activation.

    So I am thinking do SF now stating with Instructional and being mindful to not overdue. If I do SF Instructional, for how long? Then move to Level 1, and split this as well? I am reading Trisch's blog post on SF, which is really good and talks about how to split it.

    Any thoughts are still appreciated.
    Last edited by AlisaJDrury; 11-07-2018, 08:59 AM.
    Mother and Grandmother to a 7 y.o. grandson and 3 y.o. granddaughter
    T-Tapp Beginner 4/15/18
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    Studying Mental Health Counseling

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    • #3
      Alisa, even if you found your answers, I hope that Trisch or Ayj will chime in. You know that I always have thoughts...as for Level 1 or Tempo, I would of course split...

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      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        I found Trisch's blog about SF in my notes so I am good with splitting even doing SF PBS and one move a day. I am fine with that. I just am not sure if I should focus on SF or More?? Waiting patiently

      • BlessedMama
        BlessedMama commented
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        Alisa, I may have answered this on Facebook, if so, forgive the repeat! I would go with SF and if you find it's too much, you can do MORE. Either will work fine, really!

      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        Trisch, Yes you did! Thank you so much. I left it here to see Aurora's thoughts as well My gut has been telling me SF will be too much so I think I may go with More1
        Last edited by AlisaJDrury; 11-09-2018, 10:27 PM.

    • #4
      Well, first thing first, what is your pain and what is your back problem? What cause it? Where exactly is this pain. We can correct the posture and reverse the condition with more focused efforts first.

      I think More is perfectly fine to rehab and if you have lymph related issue, regular short workout is better than you do long EOD. Most of the pain is related to the inflammation elimination is subpar, stepping is the best. HHMM is also the best to eliminate inflammation.

      You have to stop worrying about the weight or the size and focus on pain relief and injury prevention. For as long as you are in pain and have inflammation, the water retention will make you gain inches and even you have earned muscles, it is not going to show.
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      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        I know this is really long, I just do not know any other way to explain it.

        Symptoms: Low back all across the back just below where your back curves right above where the buttocks starts (mainly center - spine area). When it is really bad, like this last time, it is predominantly on the left side just above left butt cheek in that boney area so right where the piriformis muscle and sciatic nerve are. Left side hip pain which I know is hip because it hurts in my groin (stabbing) from my back through to my groin and wraps around my hip (dull achey) and goes down different parts of my leg, i.e. sometimes front, sometimes back, sometimes inside. My hip spasms and gives out. On a regular basis most of my pain is in the middle of my low back (base of spine) and that is pretty much daily. When I presented to the doctor I was having an issue with pain in the left AND right groin, but the left was much worse and is my problem area when it flares. I hardly ever have an issue with the right side anymore.

        From an MRI and told by the hip specialist I have "slight" fraying of the acetabular labrum of both hips. He said this is nothing to cause me the pain I was experiencing and sent me to a spinal doctor. The radiologist was concerned and called it a tear, but the orthopedist thought otherwise. He said I have a slightly bulging disc (cannot remember where but low back), slight arthritis and inflammation around that area. The spine doctor agreed with the orthopedist that my issues weren't enough to cause the amount of pain I was feeling and thought maybe the issues were compounding. They sent me to physical therapy who said one hip is lower than the other and also thought that my pain issues were functional from not walking correctly (tucking butt) and not lifting weights properly. I had therapy for about 6 weeks which helped some, but not completely so they released me to continue the exercises. The spine doctor and the PT told me "at my age" I shouldn't expect too much and to continue working out with pain, if that is what I want I just have to do it with pain and "take your meds." I do not take my meds and haven't for years. I will be honest that I continued them for a while but it always hurt so I stopped. Honestly they were stumped and didn't know what to say.

        Fast Forward a year and a half - two years...I found T-Tapp.

        ayj67 BlessedMama - I am finally in agreement with you and Trish that I need to forget about the weight loss and focus on healing. I just want to be able to complete a TT workout, even if it is only 20 min of SF. I can do HHMM without too much issue. This last flare was after 3 days of BWO+ Inst. Almost EVERY time I do a workout (and I always mean TT-I don't do anything else lately but TT and walking) I have some sort of back soreness, which lets up within a day. (Trisch seemed to think that maybe I was activating really well and the soreness is from that, my muscles being worked) I have finally gotten it into my head that there is a lot that I can do with TT that is non-invasive and will help me in the long run if I just keep at it.

        Oh and I do not have any lymph issues. Sometimes I feel tanked after a wo, but not usually so Trisch thought I may have "tendency" toward AF but for the most part it is fine. Perimenopause fogginess, headaches, fatigue, yes, but my Vit D, B-Complex, and primrose along with TT help!

        I totally agree that inflammation may be a major part of the issue. If I do SF (short segments ED) or More, how would I incorporate HHMM or SATI into that. And lastly, which will be less invasive for my back and hip, SF or More? One of my thoughts is if I could learn SF, I could take that to More and other workouts for better activation. Should I focus on learning either More or SF before alternating with HHMM or SATI for the inflammation?

        THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for this!!

        Alisa

    • #5
      Alisa,

      What Other DVD do you have? Do you have Total Superslow? If you have, learn how to do the vertical alignment in PBS... Or go back to practice the Curl the Core against the wall seriously. You have to have unwavering vertical alignment with ribs up lats tight.

      Yes, go back to do More, but the most important is to master the tuck and vertical alignment.

      I have been foolish enough to cause myself sciatica nerve pain for dipping shoulder level below hip level while doing the box (where I was supposed to be flat back while rib to hip was extended, shoulder NOT below hip). The pain you described,from the S1 all the way to knee going between the hip, etc... was similar and I was flat on my back on the floor right away. So, I used Oil of Oregano on my back when I finally can crawl up on all four, and then I use the infrared LED light pad on L5 S1, and had a lot of magnesium... When I could I did the Ladybug spread eagle position to get my spine back, I used the rock and roll spinal curl... While standing up, I had to use the More PBS uncurl by walking my hand on my thigh and then slowing get my torso and head up...

      If I stand ribs up lats tight with the perfect T-Tapp stance in vertical alignment for the torso, I was pain free, otherwise, you know, pain. Of course, during the painful stage, pushing a door open is not possible, going in and out of a car is problematic...

      Anyway, because of that episode of pain was not because of pinch nerve or calcium deposition, it subsided and I was fine within a week or two....

      In your case, I think you have bone spur and mineral deposits if there was no injuries or incidents that you remember. That would be equivalent to budging disc that is pinching on the nerves....

      So, do all those movement that I mentioned above that helped me, they likely would help you. In addition to movement or exercise to stretch out, you have to dissolve those minerals that is causing the nerve pinching... The solution would be daily apple cider vinegar and ReMag. Do not take calcium supplement anymore, those are not bioavailable...

      There are a lot of herbs that can dissolve minerals (see what is good for kidney stone, will be good for bone spurs) like hydrangea roots, put those in your ACV and soak for 2 weeks and drink that ACV daily with honey and lemon (add ginger and cayenne from time to time too).

      If you are into cleanse and detox protocol, Master Cleanse will definitely help you dissolves minerals. If you have access to pineapple, use a lot of them to dissolve some protein binded minerals...

      If you have infrared LED light pad, use it. If you don't, look into castor oil pack.
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      • ayj67
        ayj67 commented
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        Yay, the forum got some of the old posts back. Here is my conversation with Linda Osmond (Master T-Tapp Trainer now) back 5-6 years ago. It is the same story.

        https://forum.t-tapp.com/forum/main-...tarting-t-tapp.

        The link for the article with rock and roll is embedded in an article done by Teresa... Rock and Roll is similar to water bug in the Brain Body Floor.

      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        Aurora,

        This is GREAT!! Thank you! I have More Rehab, SF, Total, HHMM, SATI, SITTM, Core Floor, Teresa's Favorite Fascia Stretch and Broom Walking. I just ordered BB Bundle, PPW Bundle, and the Warmup Bundle. I do plan on getting TSS, probably the digital because I hear it is better, when the Cyber sale goes up.

        I forgot to say earlier that this is all due to a car accident 9 years ago where I was driving and T-boned on drivers side. I had extensive physical therapy following the accident but nothing really helped. Two years ago when I saw the orthopedist and spine doctor for the pain, the Orthopedist didn't think a car accident would cause the issues that he saw, but the spine doctor seemed to think it could absolutely be due to the accident, but that it was 7 years prior so there wasn't a whole lot they could do.

        I cannot take ACV with mother. I am allergic to mold and it breaks out the inside of my mouth and constipates me I have tried several times and I just cannot. I haven't tried regular ACV because I didn't think it would be as beneficial. Same happens with lemon water and fresh pineapple so I will have to look into an herbal supplement that will help dissolve bone spurs. I may be able to take a pineapple supplement if there is a such thing because Bromelain doesn't bother me.

        My old PCP (Wow I miss her) always told me to do rock and rolls for my back pain, but every time I tried I would have more pain the next day. Is this normal? meaning that there will be some pain initially that will pass over time and consistency? I did some of Teresa's Favorite Fascia Stretch today and I am a little sore but not bad. I am going to try and do some more tomorrow.

        When you talk about causing your sciatica, this last flare I believe is from me reaching too far below my hip on the TTTwist. That is a guess but that is what I think did it. It NEVER hurts during the movement - although that same workout I had a mid back spasm during RS, but that left as soon as it came and didn't bother me later. My issue always comes the next day when I get up.

        Thanks again,

        Alisa
        Last edited by AlisaJDrury; 11-09-2018, 10:01 PM.

      • ayj67
        ayj67 commented
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        I wonder if those are allergies or just detox symptoms... Anyway, there is no fun to have sores inside your mouth or anywhere else... Magnesium will also remove mineral deposits... I guess there are plenty of stone breaking herbs, take them regularly. I think you can also see if you can use some kidney stone formula to dissolve bone spurs. Seriously, get a infrared LED light pad. It might cause 500-600 dollars, but it is a one time purchase, it beats 20 co-pays when you do it at home anytime you want and you can keep using it for any other part of your body going forward.

        Improper healing will cause fascia issue (blockage), and once the fascia is blocked, the tissue toughen, and then mineral deposits there... whether the deposits is at the bone or at the fascia, they cause the pinching of the nerves. Infrared or castor oil increase the ATP in cells, it will revive the cells and they will start softening up, repair and rebuild....

        Since you are into these, I trust you know where to find these things, you can PM me, I can give you some recommendation of infrared lights that I use.

        Regarding enzyme, you can always start with Teresa's digestive enzyme. I also use Serrapeptase and Nattokinase, try and see if they will soften the scarring tissues that you have (internally or externally).

    • #6
      https://forum.t-tapp.com/articles/26...the-t-tapp-way

      See in the middle the article before the conversation threads, the movements are in "blue" links.
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      • AlisaJDrury
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        Thank you! I forgot all about these. I will work on them this weekend.

        Alisa

    • #7
      As you see, I do floor workout as rehab often, these pain relieving moves for the back are embedded in floor workouts too.
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      • ayj67
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        Alisa,

        Since you have Senior Fit, do the Senior Fit warmup stretch and see how it compares the Teresa's Fascia Stretch. Pick the ones that you feel the best... As everyone's issue is different. You will feel that is stretched and mildly sore, but should not be in pain...

      • AlisaJDrury
        AlisaJDrury commented
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        ayj67 SF Warmup was nice, not as complicated. I was in an awkward position with neck trying to look at computer, but it was still nice. I will practice and see if it gets better.

        I followed that with HHMM Inst. but only go through the first 12 minutes as I had shooting pain from top of left hip bone in the back that went over the right side and all around the front back to the left side. I stopped, and continued very gently. I have horrible left hip pain again...so I am wondering myself if it is bone spurs in the left hip. ::wink wink::

      • ayj67
        ayj67 commented
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        If you have no problem with floor workouts like Brain Body Floor, you might be better off just sticking with floor workouts for a while. Floor workouts gives marvelous results too (actually better results for me). I am not sure what caused the pinching of the nerves, I need to pull out the HHMM instructional and see what problem you might have.

    • #8
      ayj67 I've done HHMM before with no issues...Inst and whole wo. Its possible the move in SF WU where one leg is straight other bent and you push elbow to move bent leg over to the other side strained my back a little. I didnt feel anything at the time. You may be right about sticking to floor for a while. Maybe during HHMM I didnt have knees out enough or core tight??

      I have A LOT of issues with anything that hinges at the hips, and twisting. I'm sure it just needs to be strengthened, but I don't know how to go about this.
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      • #9
        Maybe you will just stick with the Broom in More for a few days to workout the kinks... Do you have the full Broom workout or you have Broom 2, what is Broom Walking? If you have the Broom, then I will like you to do the Broom Warmup #2 and Broom Workout #2. The Broom is a clinic for More and it teaches vertical alignment. There are workouts that you need a broom to do (like More) and you will be using it as a guide for alignment and you will not be moving that fast to cause injuries.

        No momentum... Slowing down will be better for you even it drives you bonkers. You need slow movement to activate all the muscles including the deep one.
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        • #10
          ayj67 Broom walking came with TFFS. I have Broom 2, it came free with something. I can try More Broom and see how that goes, or Broom 2. I was thinking the exact same thing about slower as I was in the shower, bent to wash my feet and my hip spasmed really bad.

          That got me thinking to break down my workouts into single moves. So when I'm ready for More or SF or HHMM I do one move per workout and focus on that one move until my body is used to it. For now if I try any of those, it will be in a chair.

          I will try one of the Broom workouts and see how that goes and work on floor workouts for a while. I need to strengthen everything between my waist/very top of hips to the very tops of my thighs. Every thing between in that area is where I have the most problems (hip flexors, hips, right and left groin area, low back all across and pelvic abdominals).
          Last edited by AlisaJDrury; 11-11-2018, 11:58 AM.
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