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  • Muscle gain before inch loss?

    Hi!
    I'm new to T-Tapp, and am about six weeks into 5~6 days a week of mostly SATI, but also HH (some days just HDs and random free exercises on line).
    I've lost something like a whopping total of 2 inches. But I'm noticing more muscle definition in my arms and legs.
    Has anyone experienced increased muscle definition BEFORE losing any inches? If so, at what point did you start actually losing inches?
    Thanks!
    Cass

  • #2
    Well, it depends on your body's fat to muscle ratio to start with. Most of us starting with 4 sizes to lose will definitely see fat loss fast than muscle gain.

    If you only have 1 size to lose, then, you might see muscles gain first before fat loss. I will just you look into EOD workout or giving your body some rest between workout. As you can see muscles definition and muscle gain already, you might be holding on to water for insufficient resting (or you body is not eliminating the lactic acid faster than your muscles).

    You can do Menopause Management by itself on EOD and see if the inches will go away, or just SATI 3-4 times a week (EOD) and see if giving your body a 47 hours rest between workout will help with the swelling.

    Everybody is different and more workout is not always better when you body cannot eliminate fast enough.

    You can even do SATI with HHMM (45 mins - 50 min), EOD or once every 3 days and see if you body responds better. If 27 mins is all you can handle, then still just 27 mins or less EOD.
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    • #3
      Thanks for the helpful feedback, AYJ!

      Yes, I have only 1~2 sizes to lose. (For health reasons, it's important that I get a bit fitter, or at least maintain what I have now as I cross the menopause threshold and manage blood sugar that often sneaks into the pre-diabetic range.)

      I just realized I miscalculated, and have actually been T-Tapping for closer to ten, not six weeks.
      I'll try out the lighter schedule, and see what happens.

      Is there anyone out there's whose inch loss was as slow as mine? Or even nonexistent for the first few months?

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      • northmom
        northmom commented
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        Yes, mine was and is very slow. In fact, I faithfully did BWO, learning from the book, for about 6 months and I didn't lose one inch. I did it 5-6 days a week, not skipping a day. Than I sort of gave up for awhile. Once I cut back to just 3 moves or so a day, I started slowly dropping. Than, combined with very clean eating, I lost about 59 inches in about 14 months and that's where I'm sitting right now. I've been very discouraged that my T-Tapping didn't bring results like everyone else seems to get. But my body has done a lot of healing inside, as well.

    • #4
      Blood sugar management as in pre-diabetic, Ok, definitely you want to have muscles, as muscles burns sugar and control blood sugar... If you workout once every 72 hours, you will maintain muscles and continue your metabolism.

      What kind of diet are you using? I will highly suggest that you look into Ketogenic and intermittent fasting. Diabetes is not just a blood sugar or nutrition management, it is also the body's inability to switch from carb burning to fat burning. The only way to use up all the carb not taken in by the cells is to use them up so that there is not that much glucose floating around. If you stay low carb and use more fat and give yourself at least 12 hours of no eating daily, the body will eventually use up all the excess carb, and then the body will eventually be trained to use up stored fat.

      Eating once 3 - 4 hours, even with low carb and protein, will still spike the insulin once every 3-4 hours even the blood sugar is not spike. The only way to stop insulin surge is to not eat protein and carb. Funny, taking in fat does not cause insulin surge, but most people do not take a stick of butter of take a spoonful of coconut oil in when energy is low.

      I will highly suggest you read the Diabetes Code by Jason Fung. Since you don't have diabetes yet, just knowing low carb and intermittent fasting from time to time will help. Blood sugar and diabetes is something I watch with very carefully. My mother was Type II and she lost her eyesight to glaucoma... yup, she got Alzheimers too. All these things related to diabetes.
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      • #5
        Northmom, thanks for your input. It's encouraging to know I'm not the only one having these somewhat discouraging results, but that in your case T-Tapp still worked over the long run. The "menopause" thread started recently by Ebonykawai is also helpful.

        Ayj, I'll check out that book. I've read a lot about diabetes, but that's one I haven't come across yet. I didn't know about the fat snack option as a way to avoid the insulin surge. My naturopath did once suggest plain avocado as a snack. Wish I liked it enough to eat it plain... Might give the spoonful of coconut oil a try.

        I was doing mostly paleo and low-carb for a while (carefully tracking calories and nutrition intake on My Fitness Pal), going lower than 80 grams a day on carbs even though my doctor warned me that going too low would backfire. Lo and behold, it backfired and several months later I found myself craving carbs and resenting all my dietary restrictions. I've tried IF as well, but found I ate almost twice as many calories at a meal after the fasting period. Perhaps that doesn't matter if the point is to avoid insulin surges? But I've also read that IF is trickier with women. My diet is about 80% primal (paleo with some dairy), and I usually satisfy my sweet tooth by eating fruit once or twice a day. This pattern, with the addition of daily exercise, worked to get my A1C down a couple of years ago and keep it in the normal range (5.5), but for two months last winter I ate whatever I wanted because of what I call "vigilance burnout" after 2.5 yrs. of watching my diet. That was when my A1C went up again to 5.7. Fortunately, I seemed to have gotten most of the psychological and physical cravings out of my system during those two eat-whatever-I-want months, and was able to go back to a healthier diet in March without feeling deprived. So I'm hoping that with the shift back to healthier eating and the T-Tapp, my A1C will be back to normal when I get my bloodwork in September.

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        • #6
          PS: Ayj67, "once every 72 hours" is once every three days. Are you saying it might be better for me to work out less than EOD?

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          • ayj67
            ayj67 commented
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            Well, 72 hours is the maximum slacking off for exercise... so, there is a range for how frequent you should do an intense session (like 45 - 1 hours of T-Tapp in full activation is considered intense on my boo, as T-Tapp is 3 times as difficult or efficient to regular exercise).

            When we are fully engaged with T-Tapp, we exercise 7-10 muscles groups at the same time and that is 3 times as hard as regular weight lifting that is only activating 2-3 muscles group at a time.... So, 45 mins is more or less like 2 hours of regular workout if you are fully engaged... Because of the build in kickout and shake out, a lot of the lactic acid and inflammation is relief by the end of the workout, still a significant wear and tear occurs. If you adrenal is already dealing with a lot of inflammation (stress, hormone, or chronic health issue), then it will not be able to keep up with elimination... Then you body would hold on to the inflammation and water weight which you see as fat layer but in fact, just water retention.... So, you either have to cut back workout to 15-20 mins only 4 times a week, or do longer session like 45 mins but strictly enforce the rest day is rest (you can walk around for leisure, but not more muscles activation). If you are to engage in 45-1.5 hour of T-Tapp, you need to go on once every 3 days schedules... 70 hours of rest.

            Alternatively, just rest for 4-5 days and see if your water retention will go down to test the inflammation theory, and pick the workout back with a modified schedule in 5 days.

        • #7
          LOL on diet rebellion, well, let's just call it a feasting... IF is not necessarily low calories, it is for the body to repair and rebuild and the bumping up of human growth hormone during a fasting state with no insulin surge... Fasting and Feasting goes in cycles and every few days of fast will bring a day of feast so that the body is not going into nuts.

          13-14 years ago, I went on a long low carb state, and every week, there is a high carb feast day and that I did not go nuts and I did not lose the ability to process a lot of carb.... So, if you are in intermittent fasting, expect a day or two of refeed for every 5-7 days of fast. Low calories is not really the premises of IF... Woman normally can handle 8 hours of eating period very well and even for long term basis. It is quite difficult for woman to stay at IF more strict for an extended period of time (like the 23 hours fast and 1 hour eating period). When people doing IF, no carb gram counting is needed, however, the food still needs to be wholesome and whole food but not necessarily low carb.

          In fact, in detox and fast world, the refeeding and what you feast on after a fast is more important than the fast... You can either repair rebuild with nutrient or you are ruining your fast and health with bad food choice during refeeding or the feast after fast.

          For the long and short, if you want to avoid another rebellion "see food" rebound, you want to let the stream out regularly and high carb and more decadent periodically. Socially, a weekly feast day or feast meal is beneficiary physically and psychologically for long term success. Strive for 95% and you will be able to handle slipping once or twice easier.
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          • #8
            Thanks for all this AYJ.
            Lots of information to think over, but this is very helpful.

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            • #9
              Blood sugar results are good!
              Coming back to this thread to review some of the advice from a year ago, just wanted to update that my A1C has stayed at 5.4 through my last two blood checks. That's the lowest it's been in recent years! I've been off Metformin and made no changes to my diet, so, considering that advancing age makes it harder to keep it down, I'm guessing TTapp has been a factor in helping me keep my blood sugar normal.

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              • #10
                Hi Cass,

                Oh wow, after a whole year and you still remember and come back to report, I am so glad! There are many T-Tapper and even just last month on Facebook T-Tapp group that tapper reporting blood glucose dropping right after one or two sets of Hoe Down.

                The muscles you build and earned all over your body (long and lean every where) is your blood sugar management insurance.

                So, how has your inches loss been after a whole year?
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                2011 30 Day Challenge Less to Lose under 50 Category Winner.
                2012 60 Day Challenge Trainer/TnT Category Winner.
                2014 60 Day Challenge Trainer/TnT Category Winner.
                2015 60 Day Challenge Trainer/TnT Category Winner.
                2017 60 Day Challenge Average to Lose over 50 Category Runner-Up

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                • Cass
                  Cass commented
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                  Hi Ayj!

                  Good to hear from you--thanks for checking, and for the encouragement.

                  Actually, inch loss has been quite disappointing, and I stopped measuring because I wasn't seeing any real change in that dept. But I keep Ttapping (three to six days a week, alternating among TWO, SATI, and HTFT) because it feels good, and I see slightly more muscle definition--especially in my legs--than I have in years. Also, I'm pretty sure it's helped with my blood sugar and an arthritic knee (the knee is almost problem-free at the moment). Perhaps at this point I can only expect to maintain my fitness level, especially since I'm perimenopausal.

                  But I keep hoping I'll see more progress. This is partly why I came back to this thread to look again at some of the advice you gave me last year. I wonder if I'm overworking, although I don't feel like I have adrenal issues, and am quite healthy overall. I do know that each time I do a Ttapp workout it feels as rigorous as the first time, and I keep finding ways to increase my muscle activation.

                  I'm considering trying IF again, taking into account your suggestion about periodic refeeding. I've been away from home in the UK for almost three months (a country not known for healthy cuisine!), and with limited resources for cooking in our temporary lodgings, so am looking forward to getting back to my usual, more healthy diet when we return home in a couple of weeks. My job is busiest from mid August into September, so I'm thinking IF might be a good way (time saved, and less mental energy expended on meal planning) to get back into healthier eating when I return home.

                  Cass
                  Last edited by Cass; 07-29-2019, 03:50 PM.

              • #11
                Very good update! My inch loss has been slow, also, but over time it happens.

                Are you a combo body type? I am and it takes a LOT longer for combos to lose a size because we gain/lose fat everywhere, fingers to toes. Losing fat from my shoulders and ankles doesn't translate into a change in size the way losing inches from my waist and hips would. But I do lose fat from everywhere and eventually, I need a smaller size. But mostly I notice the clothes I already have fitting better and looking better on me.

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                • #12
                  Lisa,
                  Thanks very much for the feedback. Yes, I'm a combo type. This is helpful to know. And the clothes I have looking better on me is something I've noticed with my more figure-hugging jeans. I'll keep at it, and maybe one of these days I'll find that I have actually lost a size or more.

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                  • #13
                    Cass ah yes, us combos have to be patient. The upside is that when we gain it also takes longer for us to need a bigger size. When I gain, my clothes feel uncomfortable but the next size up is too big.

                    Lisa. 46 years old.
                    Homeschooling 4 great kids and nursing surprise toddler #5.
                    T-Tapping since 2010, consistent since 2015!

                    I got to meet and workout with Teresa in 2014. I am forever grateful to her and will never forget her.

                    My Instagram https://www.instagram.com/soliloquy72/

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